Back in the day running 13's was considered pretty fast. Today many factory cars are hitting 13s and even 12's without much sweat.So, what do you consider to be a "fast" quarter mile time?
Maybe were getting jaded. Around here a 13 second car is pretty much a turd. 12's are good for a true daily driver. 11's are impressive and if you actually drive your 10 second car around town then pretty much all the car guys around know who you are. There is a pretty big gap from mid ten second cars to low nines around Nashville. We have a surprising number of nine, eight and a few seven second door cars around. They usually run at various 'big dogs' type events.
That's been my experience as well. Do you think most people relate to the term "12-, 11-, 10, or 9-second"? Do you think the average reader really knows what that is?Funny, that a 13-second car is considerered such a turd, because there are so many of them at the drag strip! We cover the True Street Challenge and there are so few 11- and 10-second cars.
enuf said 10sec.or better is fast ...in a g-machine your suspenchion is to tight to do 10s...anyway its good for a smoke show you lose traction im gone see ya
I think once you get in the 10's you're going pretty decent. Most folks do it with nitrous and boost...but I really like N/A stuff better.I've played with nitrous for years, but now the challenge is to do it without cheating!But fast doesn't count until you're in the single digits with no power adders on pump gas!!AND you have to be able to cruise around with it!JIM
A 10-second ride is pretty fast for the street. Once you put treaded tires on, anything faster is a waste and goes up in smoke. Get into the 9-second range, and maintenance becomes a huge issue (for an all-motor car). I think people are curious about those kind of cars, but a true daily-driven 9-second car is as rare as hen's teeth. If they were common, we'd be featuring them all the time.We're shooting a 10-second street car today. It's a '65 Buick Skylark with a turbo Buick V6. Should be interesting...
I agree...9 sec cars aren't daily drivers....in fact how many 10,11 or 12 sec ones really are either? Most of us have a toy we play with on the weekends. But there are quite a few 9 and 10 sec cars that make cruise nights and run around 100-200 miles on a Sat night and they are pretty fun. You CAN drive them to work if needed though.I see more people with weekend cruisers than truly hot rod daily drivers these days. There are of course quite a few small block hot rods out there in the Mustangs, Camaros etc that folks drive regularly and many do go 11's.But even they get a little ragged running unless you're using boost or N20 usually.JIM
IMO, Mid 11's, no tubs, and streetable is fast enough to be a 99% er in most areas (not afraid of 99% of what you see on the street).. (especially with a stock hood and full interior/exhaust)It is getting quicker every year though, especially with the popularity of turbocharging and big inch motors going up... A very basic stroker build or a turbo small block in a 3600-3800 pound car can get mid 10's and be totally streetable (save for the single digit mileage on the stroker).Jim W
I used to have an 11-second (all-motor) LT1 Firebird that ran on pump gas and got 25 mpg. I used to drive it to the road course (about 7 hours one way), flog it all weekend, then drive it back home. I drove it in the snow, and to work every day (about 108 miles round trip). When I sold it, it had almost 100,000 miles on it. Another one was my '87 Buick turbo. Ran mid 11s with a splash of race gas. Drove it every day. Actually, it was a choice between the '87 Buick, the '93 Firebird, and my other 11-second driver, an '88 Firebird Formula with a Superram 396 that ran on pump gas.Every morning, I had to choose between three 11-second cars. If I couldn't choose, I took my blown Mustang. It ran low 10s, but only got 12 mpg on the road with a three-speed auto and 3.55 gears.Now I spend too *** much time writing car magazines to play with cars...
The 11 second or quicker small tire cars are really cool and impressive but I don't want to read a feature about a pro street car unless it goes low 10s or faster.And a new car off the showroom floor that does 14s or better is something we should all celebrate because there are probably more sub 14 second cars available off the shelf now than there were in the 60s and it is great news for every car guy in the world and a big indicator of this industry as a whole.
I agree, except to add that I think an older Pro Street car can live a new life as a lower-budget street/strip car or even a pro-touring car. The other day, I saw a '72 Torino Pro Street car for sale for $5,000--minus engine and trans. It had lots of high-quality stuff on it. Add another $5,000 in engine and trans, and you'd have an easy 11-second street car for $10K. I also like the idea of doing more new factory muscle, like the Mustang, Camaro, Challenger and others.
hot_rod_mike:enuf said 10sec.or better is fast ...in a g-machine your suspenchion is to tight to do 10s...anyway its good for a smoke show you lose traction im gone see yawell its to dam bad your not in california cause id show you a 69 camaro that runs 9.60 ,s on zr rated radials with dse rear suspension a 750plus change 540 big block that will also do 1.5negative g,s on the skid pad. its not real smart to speak on what new tech you have no clues about but my 69 camaro will clock 9.60,s in the 1/4 mile blow a 196 mph time down 3 miles of freeway drive all around town never get hot and does so with 4.10 gears and a kessler 5 speed and you say g machine suspension is to tight for theese times. lol stick to your honda and i will see you in my rvm lol
Last night we went to the final 'street car' race of the year at I-40 Dragway in Crossville, TN. These are cars that are tagged and have the basic street legal requirements but they can run on 10.5w tires. They are running anywhere from 5.50 down to 4.80 in the 1/8 mile (that is mid 8's to mid 7's in the quarter for those converting). I don't know if you would want to drive them down the interstate very long but some of them are actually pretty driveable.
1.5G? Either extremely impressive or simply untrue. Heck, 1G itself is difficult, even in an all-tube car. Purpose-built factory cars like a new Z06 are barely there (1G).A Nextel-Cup car with purpose-built aero only sustains about 2Gs, and this with over 850# of downforce engineered into the car and racing slick tires.So your '69 Camaro with a big block (assuming cast iron block) and no purpose built aerodynamic aids can get within .5G of a Nextel car that has had mega $$ spent in the wind tunnel and on the chassis/shock dynos? Are you running illegal R compound tires on the street?You are correct that a G-machine suspension can run 9.60s-- provided the car has been lightened to about 2500#-- not easy to do on a '69 F-body, imo.You'll have to pardon my skepticism-- there's a lot of undiscovered talent in this country working small miracles everyday, and you might be one of these types.Or you could be the very common type that uses a keyboard to fix what's left when money and/or engineering talent run out...FWIW-- you'll ALWAYS see me in your rvm because I drive slowly, and I drive slow vehicles. Even with over 1K lb-ft, my 6800# Dodge Diesel would probably not even turn 15s. It's not a race truck.I'd agree with the earlier posting about the old fast being common these days. 12s are pretty common, 11s, more common than ever before. 10s are still pretty rare, because it just takes so much more to get there. It's that asymptotic approach to decreasing times. Shaving the first second off your 1320 might cost you $1000. The next second might be $8000. The next after than might cost you $50K-- so on.Technology is making higher and higher performance available at ever-decreasing cost.Forget the "good old days"-- we're living in the good old days RIGHT NOW!jmo
Yes when I go to the track most cars are running 12.50 or slower. It's amazing how sobering the strip is. Go to cruise night and everyones running 10's. Thay ask how fast is my TA and I get "that is all it'll go?My cheveele goes 10.20 on pump gas." Then when we leave and catch a light and I pull him by 5 or 6 cars before the intersection ends.My 75 TA looks bone stock with the hood down except for the 8 point roll cage and the cragers. Has a stock interior. I like the stealthy look. How fast is fast? How much money do you have!
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