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oil accumulator
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pontihack
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Posted: 05/21/09 06:31 AM
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Would you do a storey on oil accumulators from the point of veiw of HP gains?I think there should be some HP from a lower oil level in the pan and therefore less windage.I know some use the accumulators just as insurance and add extra oil to the sump to make for the volume in the accumulator. But where there is no hard corners as on the street and drag strip you may be able to avoid doing this.Maybe a dyno test on something with a hard to mod alloy sump like g8 pontiac.
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bdvdw
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Posted: 05/21/09 03:57 PM
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not knowing to much about the g8. why can't you run a windage tray, crank scraper, and trap door bafles? it seems to me a better oil pan, may cost more, but if yousuck air up through the pump, cause the volume is low, weather either cornering, or straight up rev's, would be much more costly, and possibly catostrophic in the long run. just becouse your oil pressure guage says you have enough pressure doesn't meen what is pumping through the motor, is all oil.
just my ignoramouse 2 cents.
accumulator dyno run still sounds like a good idea. maybe add more info, on how long until you start sucking up air, with a factory style pan, with extended rpm runs. now that would be helpful.
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bdvdw
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Posted: 05/23/09 04:34 AM
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i'm not trying to sound like a know it all. it's just, that oil wraps around the crank, like small ropes with more rpm, your pumps pushing oil faster, and it takes time for oil to get to the pan. i heard there's something like 2 quarts in the pan during operation, add a 1- 1.5 quart preluber/accumulator, and you can start to see just how low your pumps reserve really is. your 5 quart pan, only holds 5 quarts in it, when the motors not running.
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Posted: 05/23/09 04:28 PM
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hmm..... i seem to recall that some top fuel and funny car teams have an accumulator that is charged with fresh oil they turn on a second or two into the run... so the engine has fresh non nitro filled oil to the bearings...
many racers are also running very thin oil to reduce frictional losses from the oil slinging all over the place...
i have always wondered about how much oil is thrown toward the back of the block in drag racing.. i would imagine that it stacks up deep around the back of the crank...
as for accumulators for the street... hmmm.... with multiple stages of oil pumps... maybe...
i would think that with the one piece rear main seal blocks that have a removable seal holder.. there might be a way to make a crank driven oil pump that bolts on in that location... so all the G force pushing the oil toward the back of the block would send the oil right to the pump and its pick up...
one could always create multiple layers of windage trays... so the oil is stripped out of the airflow... and into areas so it will drain right into the oil pan... without bubbles...
i wonder if any circle track racers have put a plastic container in the car... with a video camera recording it...
having a dyno on a tilting bed... to duplicate the forces pulling the oil and fuel to the outside during high speed cornering... might make a few more horsepower...
i would think that if a car is pulling 1G in a corner... the angle of the liquids might be 45 degrees... hence the video camera... think of how that would affect carb jetting... getting off the corner... or on superspeedways where you almost never stop turning...
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bdvdw
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Posted: 05/25/09 03:51 AM
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big bonus, helping find the perfect, wet sump oil pan.
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